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No Solicitors

When I see a sign that says "No Solicitors" I assume that that person does not want to be bothered by anyone. Recently, we've had three solicitors come to our door completely disrespecting the sign they clearly saw because they begin their spiel with "I saw your sign for "No Solicitors." Does that include [Religious affiliation]?" Yes. Yes, it does and you know it does. Jerk.

My husband says, "Yes." Then he closes the door in their faces.

I've had to be more polite because each time I've opened the door, the offending person has had a child under the age of 7 or 8 with them. My response is, "Yes, it does. Please adhere to the sign next time." Most times, I speak directly to the child. I know the adult cannot be trained to change their ways but children still can. This usually gets them to leave immediately.

This utter disrespect bothers me to no end. Why do people assume that they should be allowed to badger me with their religious views? I barely talk religion with my own family and some stranger believes they have a right to preach at me and challenge my beliefs? Screw that.

What happened to common courtesy? I made my wishes clear. I do not want solicitors. Why is it so hard for religious people adhere to this?

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shaharazad
Jan. 16th, 2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
I would assume the religious people are simply convinced that their message is of such importance that your sign wouldn't possibly apply to it.

With political groups and donation-seekers, it's more likely that they are under pressure to meet a quota or lose their job (I've been in that boat, although I always respected "no soliciting" signs).

You would probably have better success with a "Beware of Dog" sign. Not that that addresses the desire to see some common courtesy practiced.
jenk
Jan. 17th, 2010 12:11 am (UTC)
The rationale I've been given is "We're not actually selling anything, so by law we ae not solicitors." It could be they have had people who were upset at not being visited ... maaaybe. Really, it seems to me that not taking "no" for an answer is a bad sign.
bluewingedcat
Jan. 17th, 2010 12:36 am (UTC)
It's definitely the "we're not selling anything, ergo, we're not solicitors" rationale. It's the same reason that you can get calls from charities begging for money even though you're on the do not call list. Because they aren't actually selling a product, they think it doesn't apply. Probably has to do with the most common definition being someone seeking trade or contribution.

I think it's more sad that we've come to a point that people think the rules don't apply to *them* because their case is somehow more special than everyone else's.
Vulpin OpenID [myopenid.com]
Jan. 18th, 2010 06:47 pm (UTC)
I hate to say it, but charities and political organizations are specifically granted a loophole to the national "do not call" registry. The rule actually does not apply to them in fact, not just their rationalizations.

That said, I'd think people might take a look at the "do not call" registry and Get. The. Hint. But that's a consistent failing of mine - assuming others follow similar logic to me.
bluewingedcat
Jan. 18th, 2010 06:53 pm (UTC)
Having worked as a telemarketer for one of those charities for 2 weeks, I can assure you, they deliberately do NOT take that hint. In fact, it's part of the script. When someone says, "I'm on the Do Not Call list," the response is, "Well, thankfully charities are exempt from the Do Not Call list so that we can continue to help *blahblah* cause. Would you like to donate today?"
hal_obrien
Jan. 17th, 2010 01:39 am (UTC)
"Why is it so hard for religious people adhere to this?"

Because only "little people" think the Golden Rule applies to themselves.
fetishnun
Jan. 17th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
What hal said.

Things that have helped me: I used to have a sign that read "Welcome to the Witch's Inn. Trespassers will be persecuted" but it's a little weather damaged now, and I'm lazy about repairing it.

Although, the big pentacle mirror in my living room usually makes them turn around and leave when I answer the door now anyway.
phoebe_k
Jan. 17th, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
I sympathize with the irritation! I have the same problem.

And I don't think it's ordinary entitlement as some are suggesting, so much as the natural effect of their religious beliefs themselves. Because if I genuinely believed I was about to save someone's life, I would absolutely risk a little rudeness to do so. And I would take it in stride if the person sniped at me for it. After all, they believe that their message will save you from everlasting torment. It would be illogical for them to let something as small as a sign get in the way of what matters.
asthecrowfly
Jan. 17th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC)
I have a mezuzah posted on the door frame. Matt and I STILL get missionaries knocking on our door and telling us we 'read the same Book!'

Yeeeah. That never wins points.

I was raised/grew up in a Protestant sect that banned/frowned heavily on evangelical outreach like door bell ringing. All I can really say is that missionaries are taught to be dogged about 'bringing people to the Lord' and don't view what they're doing as selling their deity of choice.
panzerwalt
Jan. 17th, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
our mezuzah has help to keep then away.
tiggrrl
Jan. 17th, 2010 04:30 am (UTC)
You need one of these. I had one for a while, and it worked very well. Sadly, I can't find a link to buy them anymore. :(
shannybug
Jan. 17th, 2010 04:55 am (UTC)
I would get a little engraved sign to go under the "No solicitors" sign that says,"Yes, that means your religion too".
intrepid_glory
Jan. 17th, 2010 06:04 am (UTC)
Growing up we had a "No peddlers" sign next to our door. One day some Jehovah Witnesses came to the door to preach to my mom. She stopped them, pointed at the sign, and said, "do you see that sign?" They nodded yes. "I don't believe in peddling God door to door either." and she slammed the door in their face. She was sure that this is why they never came to our house again. But I think the real reason is because when they came subsequent times my brothers would invite them to help sacrafice the goat in the back yard as a sort of let me show you my religion and then you can tell me about yours. They never took them up on the offer and fled rather quickly. We didn't own any goats, that was just my brothers' sense of humor.
labyrinthman
Jan. 17th, 2010 06:49 am (UTC)
A friend of mine uses the "No solicitors or bible thumpers" sign. Works pretty well.

mamapduck
Jan. 17th, 2010 05:54 pm (UTC)
Not everyone considers salesmen and evangelists to be in the same category. Unfortunately, the sort of people likely to be out evangelizing are the sort who don't. Most of them genuinely don't believe what they are doing is the same thing you have requested people not do. Aggravating, but there you have it.

I would make a sign saying, "No solicitors or evangelists" and see if that helps. "No Solicitors- No Religious Groups" might also work. I used to have one that said, "I already have a newspaper, a vacuum cleaner and a religion and am happy with all three" which worked.
panzerwalt
Jan. 17th, 2010 09:02 pm (UTC)
we have a Mezuzah and a "No Solicitors" sign on our door way.

and the first day we were in the house i watched some Jehovah's Witnesses come up to our door and start to knock ignoring the "No Solicitors" sign but then they saw the Mezuzah and walked away.
aleeceh
Jan. 18th, 2010 07:36 am (UTC)
It's been my understanding that by law evangelists are not required to comply with "no soliciting" signs, in the same way that charities are exempt from compliance with the "do not call" list laws. That being said, we've been luckier than you have with our "no soliciting" sign. I think we've only had one person not comply. We have ways to see who is at the door from inside, so if someone knocks/rings when we're not expecting anyone, we'll peek first and not answer if it looks like evangelists. I think I would try making a simple, non-snarky modification/addition to your sign, e.g. mamapduck's first suggestion, or adding "no evangelists" on a separate line directly above/below "no soliciting." I like the "happy with all three" version too, but (a) no one will bother to read so many words, and (b) if the damnable magazine peddlers do read it, they'll surely notice they're not listed and think they're exempt. They've always been the biggest menace in this neighborhood!
untall
Jan. 22nd, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
This is probably the best anti-solicitor story I've ever read:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/dal/330728336.html
kmarkhoover
Jan. 22nd, 2010 07:21 pm (UTC)
"My husband says, "Yes." Then he closes the door in their faces."

Sounds like my kind of guy. :)
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